3December 2021
today we're looking at one of the most expensive tools we've ever had on the channel it's
the Milwaukee Force Logic knockout tool it goes through that light butter with great price
comes great responsibility and i'm expecting for what we pay for this to be immensely impressed uh
well hopefully what disappoint Gary because yeah you know me i like i like a tool with a purpose
you know we've previously on the channel reviewed the Makita coffee machine which divides the efixx
team but uh yeah will this uh force logic from Milwaukee will it be a winner for us here at efixx
compared to our traditional way of cutting holes the cone cutter the step cutter or the hole saws
that everybody's using so we have teased this out previously in a short and everyone said why didn't
you use a hole cutter or a or a step drill that's what we're using but hopefully today we can prove
that this tool is of worth and there's something possibly for the serious metal launcher we
don't think it's a hobbyist tool if you're the occasional uh this is not a hobbyist let's
stop there this is not a hobbyist tool because it's not hobbyist money okay and we will reflect
on the cone cutter and the hole saw in another video as well but i'm going to need to see what's
in this box before you show me the receipt for it here we go so what we got then okay so
here's the uh here's the star of the show this is the Milwaukee force logic this
is obviously the hydraulic element of it it works on the M18 battery system and it comes
with a two ampere hour battery it did come with the battery it did come with a battery but yeah
it's only the two amp hour but i think that'll do a significant number of holes um obviously and the
charger to go with it uh and then some selection of bits you need obviously the most important bits
being the punch and die selection uh of course a bit like uh you know when you buy a car when
there's some switches missing on the dashboard yeah clearly with there's a few missing in this
uh European kit i suspect our American friends get the two inch conduit adapter included and
the one and a half inch conduit adapter or in metric terms 50 millimetres and 63.
It
goes up to 100 is that right it goes up 100 but in this one we've got starting at yeah 16
millimetres 20 millimetres 25 32 and 40 millimetre cutters so pretty logical sizes for an electrical
contractor then yeah that's it and there's some other parts in that we're going to show
you as we go through the demonstration should we look at that demonstration then okay so
let's get started with the force logic knockout tool get it out of the box getting like a box
especially when it's full of accessories like this well i'll have a pouch and you're going to
have to win me over but i'm leaning in already it looks great yeah so first thing i'm going to
do is put this adapter in that allows us to use a quick release mechanism so paired with
that is this guard tool just in case you want to attempt to stick your finger into
the mechanism which i would advise with yeah 60 kilonewtons of force is not a good idea
so this latches with this ball adapter here and then there's our activating tool for the
for the die there's two different sides of those adapters this is the smaller one yes this is a
smaller one so a smaller adapter for smaller sized um dies itself so let's just centre punch with
our automatic centre punch where we're gonna drill through so yeah the one thing everyone else misses
out the reviews yes you do have to drill a pilot hole in this case 12 millimetres of the day she
actually says 11.1 couldn't get that in a whole punch in a in a in a drill but so we have to go
with the nearest which for us is 12 millimetres so you've got some of your favourite right there
Gary what is it yes the old cooling gel yeah so get the get that out of the way we've drilled
our pilot holes for now let's just assemble uh the so there's the die mechanism onto the
activator put that in there and then put our cutting die underneath so we've drilled a hole but
we're going to benefit from having that a super clean hole when we cut it aren't we well if this
if this review turns out well it will be clean if it's not then it'll be a raggy hole but there we
go pulling that through now okay it's just single trigger to operate that and there we go we've
removed that uh additional material so i've put a 25 millimetre hole in there okay so that's
the 25mm one we're going to obviously see the remnants of that material now when it comes out
yeah so again you always have to unscrew the die anyway if you were going to use another um another
for this for another hole and there's our waste material and that hole is super smooth and i would
say that's probably the biggest feature isn't it the fact that you're not coming in you're not
deburring and it's punched not actually drilled out that hole yeah and that's a 25 millimetre
adapter and it's exactly sized for that so now let's uh just up the size a bit to a 40 millimetre
means i need to use a bigger activating pin so i'm going to need to swap that over you can go as
big as 100mm all right yeah can in in mild steel that's three Milwaukee thickness or two and a half
Milwaukee in stainless steel you'll see this is marked it's handed you can see pointing towards
the tool and pointing towards where you put the the die so we know a 20 mil hole in order that
we can get our pin in is that right yes that's it mark that on the step drill there Gary because
sometimes you get a bit carried away with a step drill and miss your steps a bit like missing a
bus stop however it wouldn't necessarily be an issue and we'll see that later on in the video if
your hole was a little bit too big no that's it it would be on the 16 millimetre one though Gary
i can tell you that that's that's for a future video okay so all good so i'm going to spin this
in the bottom as usual and then we're going to so the good thing about this quick release
mechanism you're putting it in there then bringing the tool in swivelling the guard round if
you didn't have that obviously you'd have to wait the two on there before you're ready to go there's
something quite satisfying about seeing it punch a hole out rather than cut one isn't that good yeah
that's it there we go really quick really clean again just push the trigger again to release
the mechanism swivel around the guard and then yeah we've removed it that's the
advantage of that quick release mechanism you can get the tool and the die off there okay so again
opening out we'll see the material left uh behind yeah it's good super smooth hold on
take it when you rub your finger and take your glove off couldn't
you it's really as smooth yeah so now let's look at another scenario where we
traditionally might have used the old double hole saw trick we're going to enlarge an existing
hole okay so we're going to make this what 40 mil hole from a 25 mil yeah that's the only die
we could afford in this set so yeah we'd love to have the 100 millimetre one but uh yeah we're
stuck at 40.
So i've marked the centre lines of that hole you could potentially go off centre if
you wanted to move your hole a little bit forward put that in place and then just line it up with
the the marks we've got the red marks on the on the uh on the on the uh die are great for that and
i didn't realize what they were for so that makes logical sense so i could have brought it forward
backward left or right from that original hole we've centred it and now we're going to go from
25 mil to 40 mil okay again just push that trigger we should have a nice clean roll emerging
seal yeah just popped out don't it yeah that's really good in it
yeah those lines are perfect so again same procedure in terms of removing
the material we've just cut out just release the mechanism and it just pops out that ball ball
attachment is really good so i'll just swivel the cutting die out yep and you see the lines as well
i like that yeah that's really good one thing people say is in that can you do stainless steel
yeah so the most difficult bit about the stainless steel is drilling the pilot hole but i'm going to
demonstrate another feature here we're going to remove the quick release mechanism to shorten the
tool so say you were going to work inside a panel and you just needed to gain a little bit more
depth okay so you make it a little bit more compact for us then so remove the guard and we're
just going to remove the adapter for the ball pull okay and then we're going to put the activator
straight into the uh into the device itself we'll say going to shorten it roughly about 100
mil yeah it's about 100 millimetres again you'll see it's uh it's handed on this pole you'll see
it's marked up for which side goes into the into the tool and which side goes into the die okay
that's a little bit of Milwaukee branding on there yep so just we got to get this tight we're just
obviously just spinning it in yeah so do that but then the challenge is obviously you've got to hold
the hole uh tool itself while you put the punch on but you can see there we've shortened it by
about 100 millimetres so now i'm just going to punch from the inside out on this panel so put
the put the die on this side and then we're going to put the punch on the outside ah right okay
we should see this will be the first one you get are really good and this is uh in stainless
steel so this is probably pushing it to its limit yeah this is about one and a half millimetres
but we'll do a two and a half millimetre stainless steel again just push the trigger and
watch this wow it's not going through butter yeah that is really good yeah and again just remove that you
can see how cleanly it's got that and we know we're gonna have a smooth
hole we've seen it before and we yeah but unbelievably smooth well there's one thing that's
undoubtable there it was a smooth hole we said how many times you said that's a smooth hole
that's a smooth hole what's a smooth hole it it's a smooth hole and it's you know stainless
steel this is 316 grade stainless steel marine grade stainless that is notoriously difficult
to work with and yeah okay the most difficult bit is drilling the pilot hole that's the
that's the issue people have got to get over but obviously it depends on the market
you're working if you're in stainless steel you're doing a lot of stuff in food factories and
stuff like that yeah well if you're drilling a 20 mil hole to punch out 100 mil hole in stainless
steel i would argue the payoff of drilling that 20 mil hole and it doesn't matter as we said they're
a bit raggedy that you could actually punch out a perfect 100 mil hole yeah no deburring etc with
that yeah exactly so yeah so that side it's i think it's you know me i like a i like a a
tool with a purpose and i think this yeah does a great job if that's what you're into yeah and
again it's not for the occasional cutter of holes the step cut is a perfectly adequate tool
and people are using them this one down here so as i come off me step and back on it again
there we go okay anyone notice i'm a little taller so if i go back here that's my true heart i'm
getting a little bit fed up with beans for sure so we've got this one from Mandrex somewhere as
well that's the electrician's hole saw kit which we like with a fine-tooth blade don't we yes we
do and if you watch our next video you'll see how this mandrake system compares head-to-head with
what we've got in the Milwaukee not head-to-head we're not having a race because i know this
works this bit of kit here does never appear on my side of the race and i'll end up with the
traditional method and we know for people who've watched the races before how they all finish so
we'll call that a review we will and uh so this is on the second time we've featured Milwaukee
on the channel uh first first no no no no no that was the Milwaukee oh yeah that was not the
Milwonkey yeah yeah it was the Milwaukee where we couldn't cut straight well i'm getting there
with that actually we get actually we cut this Legrand trunking with the Milwonkey if you haven't
seen that review check that out because that is uh i think there's another good tool that that's
especially growing on me as we as we start using it more and more around the workshop yeah
i would say it's one of those tools for the flashier electrician you get out your Milwonkey
or the the chops or effectively a handheld chops saw check out that one we'll leave it in the
link in description or the eye above our ahead and this one here probably uh more your style
i'm probably more the traditional electrician but we'll find out in the next video but as
always we'd love your feedback and you have given us tons already about the force logic from
are we going to milwonkey or Milwaukee Milwaukee here we'll keep on on track yeah we'd love that
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